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Poster: dark.starz Date: Mar 29, 2013 8:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

http://archive.org/details/gd93-08-21.sbd.nawrocki.15035.sbeok.shnf

Here Comes Sunshine, Walkin' Blues, Lazy River Road, Queen Jane Approximately, Bird Song, Promised Land.

China Cat Sunflower-> I Know You Rider, Way To Go Home, Truckin'-> Good Morning Little School Girl*-> Smokestack Lightning*-> Drums-> Space-> Jam-> The Last Time*-> Standing On the Moon

E: One More Saturday Night
E: I Fought The Law

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Apr 1, 2013 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

The debut of Jerry's new "acoustic" sounding guitar. Can't say I liked it. If I'm not mistaken is that Huey Lewis on harp for a few songs?

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 30, 2013 5:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

one of the best SOTMs

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Poster: pinyonjay Date: Mar 30, 2013 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

A way super fun day in the sun at Autzen.

The Standing on the Moon was other-world incredible - as Jerry soared through the coda jam on his way back to the final chorus the deepest well of emotion roared to the surface and suddenly I found myself sobbing, tears streaming down my face. A close friend gave me this look as to whether I was alright and I gave a look in reply, through the cascade of tears, that everything was perfect. As indeed it was. "I'd rather be with you!!!!"

Don't forget to have some of that Oregon Trail Mix (courtesy of D. Gans, K. Nordine, et al for KLCC) that Healy ran through the Autzen speakers before the show: http://archive.org/details/gd1993-08-21.fm.albright.87555.flac16 (linked source is an FM feed and I think is the only one on the Archive with Trail Mix).

Fun fact - earlier that month (8/7/93) Jerry Band played the Memorial Coliseum in Seattle - super sweet laid back gorgeous show: http://tela.sugarmegs.org/_asxtela/asxcards/jgb1993-08-07.html

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Mar 30, 2013 8:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

Ah yes, the critics and the cynics have weighed in. Would i have posted this recording had we not been in attendance that fine weekend? Probably not, post Brent shows mostly had meaning if you were there.

That being said, Jerry was in fine form this weekend in late August 1993 witnessed by the pure emotion he delivered on the final chorus of SOTM shredding on bending knees, the band was tight and the sound that day inside Autzen Stadium was crystal clear.

We were all grins sitting @ the 30 yard line top row, first level stands on Phils side. Sitting next to us was a couple who brought their 6 month old who was decked out in a pair of blue ear plugs in her car cradle.

If there is any man here who possess such talent as to out-perform Garcia, may he stand up, step forward or forever hold thy peace.

Is this not Vinnie's best rendition of Way To Go Home?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Mar 31, 2013 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

You are so full of shit, Kochman. The saddest part is that you have to make up stories about being at shows in 93! Pathetic.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 31, 2013 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

I would defn make up stories about shows in 93..primarily in the spirit of "I wasn't there, you didn't see me" and of course "really? no, I had no idea--I thought standing on the moon was a Police cover!?"

I wish I could make up stories about shows in 68, but I wonder, would the embellished version, the story I make up, presumably after exhaustive research, actually seem more "real" than any memory I might have if I'd actually gone?

I think it might.

Hmmm...

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 1, 2013 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

Here's a guide to creating false memories.

- Instead of "I" say "we". Use of the first-person plural form tricks readers into believing that others have have already corroborated your tale.

- Make sure to always mention that "Jerry was in fine form that evening" and that "we were all grins."

- Dig up few details about the local environs. "We stopped by so-and-so's famous diner on the way home..."

- To make it really convincing, make sure to include lots of overly-specific details like the color of the earplugs being worn by the child (whose age you also recall) of a total stranger 20 years ago.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Mar 30, 2013 6:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

Excellent SOTM!! Added this to the list of my funeral songs.

Thus far the list of Grateful Dead tunes that are to be played would amount to a decent single set show.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 30, 2013 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

This song seemed to have some promise as a late career style Morning Dew and the versions I've heard hold true to that in that Jerry seems to stutter and hack his way through forgetting lyrics and fanning and yelling out some lyrics at the end.In this (one of the best) version he mangles the best vocal verse,old glory standing stiffly and drops three clams at 8:36,8:48 and 9:00 during the climactic jam at the end.I understand we always had to give a little leeway to hiccups in even the best performances,but at what point do the fuck ups ruin a song? All the recommendations for this song that I've heard really aren't that good,but I readily admit that it isn't a large sampling.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 30, 2013 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

I agree, but don't feel that any of the clams or lyric stumbles detract from this version, 09-18-87 Dew may be similar with the mistakes but the emotion makes up for it

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 30, 2013 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

That is where the subjectivity comes in and I would say that blowing my favorite verse and hacking up the peak solo repeatedly definitely detracts from a version,it doesn't ruin it,but what does it say for a song when one of it's best versions has multiple glaring mistakes.I don't think I'm nitpicking,I certainly am aware that a lot of versions of GD songs that I tout have all kind of clunkers in them,but not versions I consider among the best with hacks in key places of the high points of the song.That being said it all falls back to personal preference and within reason a case can always be made for this versus that.I'm not all that familiar with the 87' Dew in that I don't have it committed to memory,but I thought it was less mistake riddled than usual and I think the big clunker at the end was Weir's doing,but I'm not at all sure.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 30, 2013 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

it seems more forgiveness is given to Garcia's ballads...I don't get all the clams in 08-21, some of the notes I'll give to Jerry as being dissonant or incidental in a distorted rock guitar way...he does foible a few lyrics, but this version ranks high for the effort in the coda and the fanning section in the solo, with the vocal reprise at the end...it lifted the stadium up...

if you want more precision, you'd probably enjoy top 5 versions 12-06-1989 (w/Clarence Clemons) and 12-28-1991...


http://archive.org/details/gd1987-09-18.sbd.finney.394.shnf

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 30, 2013 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

Lyrical missteps always take a version down a notch or 2 in my mind...I can't help it...same with clunky transitions...yeah, the rest of the song may pick up in energy and be quite good, but as long as we're talking "best of" versions, I need an almost completely clean sheet, at least in the execution, which I know narrows the field quite a bit.

A good example is one of my favorite Scarlet>Fires from Lehigh 9/25/81...it's pretty awesome all the way up to Jerry's opening verse in FIRE and then he completely botches the verse & it's just ugly. The rest of the song rocks but I still can't get that initial stumble out of my head to give it a true 5-star recommendation.

Other times I get truly annoyed with what I feel are glaring oversights by reviewers who--well, I just don't know what they're thinking...there are numerous heads who count 6/25/85 as a GREAT Dead show, and every time I listen all I hear is Jerry mumbling his way thru lost lyrics (Row Jimmy), and just a general lack of fluidity and choppy playing to go along with his tired-sounding vocals and the band's lack of cohesion.
But there are 5 stars all over that show. I really don't get it when there is objective evidence of a sloppy show or version and people overlook it b/c it's got "energy" or happens to be part of a "great set list." Please. Give me a well-played "boring" set list over a crap-ass error fest that's a "great set list" any day.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 30, 2013 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

major clams are just as bad as a muffed lyric,there are so many "almost best versions ever" that have died on the operating table due to a forgotten line or blown guitar part...there are very few versions in my top rankings that have egregious errors...

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 30, 2013 2:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

Curious--give me an example of or define "major clam"...

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 30, 2013 2:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

with regards to the notorious clam, the grateful dead clam takes many forms..from hitting the wrong chord (like Weir in the intro to Terrapin 01-22-78), to clipping notes (ala Garcia in intro Morning Dew 05-08-77), to hitting a sour note (Garcia solo Look Like Rain 04-20-83)...sometimes it can be a group clam...as compared to lyrical blunders, a minor clam, like an "outside" note played during a run in Let It Grow in 06/18-74, can often escape detection, however a major blunder can often put off a sour taste that is hard to make up for...if you notice, all these versions are considered top ranking versions, mostly because other variable factor in that offset the mistakes...09-18-87 morning dew is likely the highest rated most flawed version of anything they played...

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Mar 30, 2013 9:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

Perhaps paying more attention to the flow, pace, rhythm and melody of the emotional expression and delivery of the tale with less focus on the "Symphonic Level" details.

Recall this is an aging acid folk/blues/jazz based rock band with a lifetimes worth of musical gumbo on the side.



This post was modified by dark.starz on 2013-03-31 04:32:42

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